In what was one of the most heated fights of the year, Iron Fist (Infinitespeech) faced off against Wolverine (Daniel Briand) in the demonic realm of Limbo. There was a dramatic swing in the polls, and the forums ended up naming Danny Rand as the winner. Jeff and myself were not convinced however, and voted for the canucklehead. Unfortunately, this puts Speech out of the competition. Thanks for a great season Speech!


This week's fight features Professor Xavier (Tom McNeely) versus Wonder Man (managed by Eli Anthony) in the Sanctum Sanctorum.

Both Eli and Tom recorded live with Jeff and myself Sunday August 26'th at 9pm EST. We also had the pleasure of being joined by Dan Briand!

Voters are allowed to vote once, and it is recommended that everyone listen to the rationales presented on the CoC Podcast, as well as follow the debate here in the forums before voting. Voting will be closed at 9pm EST September 2'nd.

To win a fight, the fighter merely needs to subdue his/her opponent. Subdue can be anything from restraining to killing.

Let's get it on!!!

Wait... what?


Edit fail Also... I am SO interested in hearing how Wolverine beat Iron Fist. I mean.. I REALLY want to hear this. Speech did a terrific job, I'm stunned.
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Lol, good catch. I fixed it as best I could, but maybe Cape can adjust it further if I didn't quiet put the right words in his mouth.

So where would be the proper place to continue the discussion about Wolverine/Iron Fist? In that thread, yes?

Yes you noob. Have you ever seen a web forum before... geez! If you want to whine about Iron Fist and throat punches and fisting, go back to that other thread. This thread is for the sole purpose of people commenting about their views on Wonder Man making powdered mutant out of Xavier.

No idea what you guys are talking about.....

But I wanna whine hhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................. And the nomenclature was semi confusing for my poor brain.
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Either way, from what I remember this whole fight basically depends on wether or not Wonder Man can have his mind controlled or not.

If yes: he's dead.
If no: Xavier gets punched in an area that he is vulnerable and he dies.

All of Xavier's areas are vulnerable, including his throat!

Duh, how could I forget :/

But will Wonderman even be able to throat punch Xavier because his mind would be gone o.0 Thats the question, yes?

Wonder Man's mind is made up of ionic energy. Can ionic energy be mind controlled?

Exactly the question that we discussed.

Lemme ask this: Can Xavier control the minds of Aliens, who are nothing like Human. Say, a Skrull?

He has had difficulty with alien minds.

As far as I would presume, if it has a conscious, Xavier can at least sense it. He might not be able to navigate it as well as a human "brain", but he'd be able to connect with it and possibly unleash a psychic attack.

With that said, Ionic energy or not, Wonder Man's consciousness is essentially human. The brianwave patterns would be human. Just because the "brain" is made of ionic energy, doesn't mean the thought processed isn't mapped like any other human.

In my opinion at least.

I feel like Marty McFly.

So it's safe to say that even though he might be able to do so (which isn't known) that at minimum, he'll have a hard time doing so.

Yes?

To be honest, I don't know for sure. What I do know is that Xavier has had difficulty with minds that are not human. Simon doesn't have a physical brain, since he's made of ionic energy, so with that in mind, I'm going to say Xavier will have a harder time with his mind right off the bat.

Add in Simon's superhuman hearing, and super sonic speed, and he can locate and get to Xavier before Xavier can get in his head, if he even can get in his head. This is only necessary if one takes up the idea that the house itself will keep Simon's ionic energy omni-directional blast from getting Xavier. If one doesn't think the house will intervene in such a fashion, then Simon ends this thing quick.

Hmmmmmmm....I need to know more about this house. I had a good idea of where this fight may go, but if the Sanctum truly has this resiliance, this will change things for both fighters. I don't recall ever reading anything about the house in this way....

Same here, but Tom brought up some points that I need to research.

This was an easy one!

Xavier
- Established in WM vs Exodus that WM is weak willed, unstable, been controlled many times.
- Environment not a factor: no linear path to each other.
- Xavier will find WM mentally and shut him down at the beginning of the fight. **CP - WM will end the fight almost instantly: guns will be blazing from the get-go. Will unleash "ionic energy in an omnidirectional wave, a wave of concussive ionic energy" that will blow through the whole place and the shockwave will lay him out.
- House won't let itself be exploded. **CP - Why would house keep WM from using powers but not Xavier?
** CP - Wong lives in house, Strange will want to protect him. Won't be happy having a telepath in the house. - Depends on how telepathic attack is used. Is it an attack on the house or its occupants? Don't think telepath would be blocked. **CP - "no inhibitor for ionic energy, dangit!"
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So, how does ionic energy work?
Like, is it like a fireball or something? Its concussive so it would blow the house apart?
Is Stranges servant in the house during the fight?

Need scans and details on this Eli, expound moar. Scans of what ionic energy does.

And Eli, I listened to the whole thing. Nice jab at me with the throat punch at the end.

He doesn't have a brain. Therefore he has no brain wave patterns. He isn't a human who has all the human parts made of ionic energy. He is an energy being. Made of energy.

Yes, his personality is human, it's Simon Williams, but only barely human if at all. He has even stated that he doesn't think he's even human anymore.

Well if he's not human <or barely is human> (and it was stated that Xavier has problems with minds that are not human) certainly that means he won't be taken out instantly. At the VERY least, this is an unknown wether or not be can control his mind and/or how easily he can control it, yes?

I'm also formulating a strategy that might work, depending on a few of Wonder Mans abilities. Scans scans scans... I needs em.

When did "having problems" translate to "can't do it"??

Every fighter is going to "have problems" with his opponent but that doesn't mean he/she/it can't do whatever it was that was difficult. I'm sure Xavier has "had difficulty" getting on the toilet but he was able to do it.

We've seen Xavier mess w/ aliens before just not to the extent that he does with humans. Simon's brainwave patterns are HUMAN even though his physical brain isn't. Xavier's powers don't work on the physical brain guys it's the conscienceness of the individual.

I'm also glad someone finally brought up the house being an actual pain in the ass during these fights as well.

Doesn't mean he can't, but if he has trouble, that might give WM time to do something because what people are gonna say is
" Xavier is gonna just shut down his mind instantly"

But if dude is ionic or whatever and is jus a consciousness AND Xavier would have a hard time getting into his brain, that just might be enough for Wonder Man to get to him.

Come on now guys...

This is what I've been trying to say.

I mean, Xavier communicates with the Phoenix does he not? The Phoenix has no physical brain.

I mean, and this doesn't really apply to Xavier or this fight, but Nate Grey was able to yank Xavier's consciousness out of the Astral plain. There was no physical body, no physical brain.